[00:00:01] Chad: On this episode of “In The RACK” podcast, it's special because it's episode number 50. It's also special because it's our Halloween special episode / scary stories. Kind of a reckless in the rack, but like a spooky version, maybe it's like a step up.
[00:00:18] Nick: So I think this podcast is really going to come in candy for people today.
[00:00:30] PODCAST INTRO: Welcome to “In The RACK” podcast, where we provide you with the practical framework for breaking PRs in all facets of health and wellness. We are just a couple of bros giving you the simple house in a world of complex wants. No filters, no scripts, no rules, just straight talk, talk tune. Now, let's get into the rack with your hosts, Dr. Chad and Dr. Nick.
[00:00:55] Chad: Alright, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of “In The RACK” podcast. I'm your host, Chad. And with me is my co-host and fellow physical therapist, Nick. And we also have Karyssa on the podcast today. Karyssa, for all of you that don't remember who she is, she runs the show here. She does all the backend stuff for us. She does all the front desk stuff for us. She's the boss when Taylor's not here. Taylor's not here right now because she's on her honeymoon.
[00:01:24] Karyssa McCullough: Taylor, I can't wait for you to get back.
[00:01:26] Nick: Karyssa haven’t change of scenery. So she came on the podcast because she's been stuck up front all day.
[00:01:32] Chad: She's been working like 12 hours. She is like, get me on this thing.
[00:01:35] Nick: Just put me on a podcast.
[00:01:38] Chad: So today we have a special episode. It is special for two reasons. It's special because it's “Episode Number 50”. But it's also special because it's our Halloween special episode where we have spooky/scary stories. Kind of a reckless in the rack but a spooky version. Maybe it's like a step up of the reckless in the rack because it's reckless. But it's more on like this is meant to scare you a little bit into scaring you straight.
[00:02:15] Nick: So I think this podcast is really going to come in candy for people today.
[00:02:20] Chad: I would say unlike the story of Sanderson Sisters, these stories are real. These stories aren’t fake, this story is not hocus pocus. This is real life.
[00:02:31] Nick: I'll kick this off. So you guys know with our stories podcast, we go with alias names if it's about a particular person, so we don't violate any laws. So for the sake of Halloween, this is going to be Twix.
[00:02:52] Chad: Twix or for kids.
[00:02:56] Nick: Chad doesn't eat much junk food. They probably both very similar. It sounds like a grand scheme of things. But just a lot of sugar and a lot of seed oil and some food coloring. So Twix has been having foot pain on both sides for the better part of last 20 years. And one of the main reasons you guys knew I was gonna bring the feedback into this, but one of the main reasons that this story is so scary to us is that after asking a few questions and interacting with this person, 20 years of foot pain, never once had any providers see numerous doctors podiatrist. Never once did any single one provider recommend physical therapy. And that's not to say that physical therapy would have oh, it like physical therapy would have been the magic cure for her magic pill. No, not necessarily. But the fact that it was never once recommended or offered is very scary, because then there was this person has been in pain and you could potentially see this person going down the road of something like a surgery still having never tried something like physical therapy to help manage these symptoms. Now this person had been treated with numerous orthotics, various orthotics. Obviously, those became more complex over the years. It's like, “Now we got to add cushion here. Now we got to do this and then we got to do that”. So came in I asked to see the orthotic. This thing was just like rock solid in the arch and very, very narrow and the toes so we know just compressing your feet even more, causing more of that. That kind of wedge underneath the arch. I think I've said it on a podcast before. But if you take an arch, the arch is supposed to support weight on top of it, not from underneath. So if you have a firm arch support issue, you are just functionally collapsing that arch into said hard arch support. Doesn't sound fun, but so treated with a variety of injections, things like that. And the most recent podiatrists had given her an injection and said “This is the last thing I can offer you”. This is the end of the road, essentially, is what this provider had told Twix, this is the last thing I can do for you. If this doesn't work, you should probably try some physical therapy. So 20 years down the road, this is the last thing I can offer you an injection. Luckily, it wasn't surgery, but an injection. If this doesn't work, now you can go to physical therapy that's scary. Because if you've ever been to physical therapy, think about it, minimal skin off your back, we make you work a little harder to get a little sweaty. But in the grand scheme of things, unless we do dry needling, nothing was poked and prodded into your body, nothing was cut open. You weren't on any medications that can wreak havoc on your GI system, your hormones, anything like that. If anything, the things we're doing the movement is going to help your hormones and your metabolic systems. So just try it, go try exercise physical therapy with a specialist, with someone who knows what they're doing. And it's gonna be minimal skin off your back. Some of the other stuff has some serious side effects. There's going to be very little side effects to coming in during physical therapy. It should be one of the first things for most of these orthopedic conditions, because very little side effects. And we're biased, you could come and you could be in more pain. But is that pain indicative that something is injured or going wrong? No, not necessarily, it just might be new for your body. So it's just a scary thing to think about our medical system is telling you that this is all we can do. And when they're saying that this is all we can do, what they're offering you is just a glorified Band-Aid. But they're telling you that this is all you can do. So you are basically giving a Band-Aid. So it's probably creating a new problem, because it's not addressing the underlying cause. But it's a Band-Aid that's coming along with side effects. And then we're probably blaming everything off, your mom had these feet too, it's just genetics, it's luck of the draw. So you're immediately taking power out of the individual’s hands, out of the patient's hands, and you're making them feel powerless. And if anyone has ever felt powerless in any situation, it's a scary thing. To feel someone or something else has complete power over you is very, very scary. And that's what our medical system unfortunately is doing to a lot of these people. So Twix felt that way, even if Twix couldn't describe that sensation, but it was like, “Wow, these are just my feet, I have to wear these really thick orthotics in every shoes, I need special shoes, I can't go barefoot anywhere, completely powerless with regard to the situation with their feet”. And the reality is that even after just a few visits, just from a few simple exercises, Twix is starting to feel like she has some control over her outcomes now. And the reality is that you do with most of these, there are certain health conditions, it's out of your control. But the vast majority of our orthopedic issues, our musculoskeletal joint issues, we have way more control than we think. We've said it time and time again on this podcast, you’re primary health care provider. So you are first in line and then you have a “PCP”, but they're kind of like the safety net. Make sure there's no red flags, nothing like that. You need to be first. You own your own health. And with regard to specific issues, do some investigation, some self-assessment, see what may be playing a role? Is it my footwear? Is it the way I move? Is it the way I do things? Is it what I'm doing? Is it the way I'm setting? All these things, and then just control what you can control. Forget about what you can't. And if you really can't get a handle on it, go see someone they're talking about. And not someone who's just going to tell you, you don't have any power. It's just your genes. So it's a scary aspect of our medical system.
[00:09:09] Chad: I think that's a red flag too. Whenever a medical professional, anybody, whether it's a PT, whether it's a Cairo, whether it's a MD, if they're telling you this is the last resort, this is all we can do, that's a red flag already. Because to me that says you either don't know what's going on, or you don't know what else to do with me. You just can't refer somebody else to me, there's an ego thing that that some of these providers go through where they just have a hard time referring outside of the network, unfortunately. And they feel like, “Well, if I couldn't help you, nobody can”.
[00:09:45] Nick: It certainly is. So there's a safe face aspect to it. And it goes and it’s part of the system, it goes back to even the medical education system, like how we're trained. We hold especially doctors on such a high pedestal, that they then take on this feeling that they have to have the answers, but it’s okay not to. That's not your wheelhouse, don't try to make it your wheelhouse. It's a direct reflection of the education system. So as much as we should hold the doctors and the providers accountable for not continuing to educate themselves or continuing to further their knowledge that's on them. But when they come out of school, the things that they're lacking at something that's on the system, partly on them for not going beyond the schooling but part of it's very much on the system itself. And that kind of aspect of putting so much weight and you can't control this, it's your genes. We can only do this these Band-Aid treatments, it's so convoluted, it's very much on both the provider and the system, but you become like you go through it. You work hard enough to get there, you're almost like a zombie, and this is how we do things.
[00:11:11] Karyssa McCullough: But at the same time, though, if they're gonna get to that point of this is it, this is all I can offer you. You're basically showing your patients and your clients that you don't want to work the extra hour to find another solution. You're throwing in the flag and saying, “I'm done. Good Luck”. You're basically giving up on your patience. And you see all these shows like Grey's Anatomy, and whatever, have all these doctors who are studying extra-long, and maybe you actually should study a little bit longer and look into some other options other than, “Alright, here's this injection, if it doesn't help them out, and I have to tell you about.”
[00:11:52] Nick: I think we can put some of the onus on the patient too. There's so much information out there, you can certainly go find some things out. Maybe you don't speak that language, maybe with the thing you read is way over your head, but you can still get a grasp on it. And then you can go to your provider with questions. And then if they can answer some questions, or they don't sound like they're too confident, you have your answers right there, and they probably want to go see someone else. So I think it's important for people, like I said, “Take ownership of your own health”. So you are the first line of defense, and you do some research, you look up some stuff and you say, “This is what I'm thinking, I want to hear if this is kind of what makes sense in the eyes of a professional and see if you can connect the dots in that way”.
[00:12:41] Chad: I like it.
[00:12:42] Nick: Who next?
[00:12:44] Karyssa McCullough: I think I’m going to next. Chad is going to last which is supposedly “Scary”.
[00:12:50] Chad: And I might rant a little bit.
[00:12:54] Karyssa McCullough: I don't even know what it's about. So it’s a surprise to me. So I'll go. But I had to think of this one on the fly, just because I literally asked last minute, “Hey, can I join it because I'm bored?” So here I am. We're just gonna take a quick trip back in time to when I got my gallbladder taken out in 2017 it was. Basically make a long story short, I was down in Georgia visiting my brother and in the middle of the night and had a gallbladder attack. So basically, he got rushed to the ER, super severe pain in my right upper quadrant, and did an ultrasound and found a marble sized gallstone in the neck of my bile duct. And it was stuck, which was creating all the pain. So basically, they pumped me full of pain meds and sent me on my way, and said, “It's either gonna go back into your gallbladder or you're gonna pass it”. And with my luck of the draw, it went back into my gallbladder and I did not pass it. So few months down the road, still super in pain and I had my gallbladder removed. I thought everything was fine and dandy, routine surgery, you don't need your gallbladder, and you just got to keep an eye on what you're eating afterwards. And so I'm home recovering. We’re six days into recovery, and I start getting a very, very bad pain in my stomach again, but like to the point where you couldn't even lay the slightest finger on my stomach without severe pain. So I'm like, “Something's wrong”. And so me being me, I call my parents. I'm 28 years old, and I still rely on my parents for help, obviously. So I call my parents and my dad's like, “No, I think you just need to sleep it off. Maybe in the morning, we'll bring you to urgent care and it'll be okay”. And I'm like, “No, something's definitely wrong”. So I get my mom on the phone. I'm like, Mom, come pick me up. We're going to the hospital. So mom comes pick me up at 11:30 at night, go to the hospital and I was like, “Hey, just had surgery here week ago and I'm in severe pain” and they immediately too took me aback because they're like, “Oh crap, something's wrong”. And you had it done at our facility, so we need to take you back. So I'm getting all this pain, they take the stitches out of my incision, they swab it, which in it of itself was excruciating pain, sticking a Q tip into my belly button. And no pain meds, no nothing. So I'm in the ER crying and they come back and they're like, “We got to admit you, you're definitely infected”. So my surgeon, I'm not going to put out any names. But granted, he's on the south shore. So he's not anywhere near here. He tried to blame it on constipation. And I was like, “No, this is most definitely not constipation”. I understand them on pain meds, so it's kind of backing me up a little bit. But this is 110% not constipation, you need to do something. And they're like, “We'll do some more ultrasounds and whatever. All the testing every test under the sun, you can imagine, and it's “still constipation””. And I'm like, I don't believe that. So my dad threatened to have me taken out of their care and moved to Boston. And they were like, “Let's try a couple more blood tests, whatever”. So I'm in the hospital for a week, haven't eaten in seven days, haven't drank in seven days, losing weight in pain, nauseous, feeling horrible. And come to find out, they told me I was to take a shower a little bit too early, and the water that my town was pumping through our showers infected my incision, and I ended up having a bacteria growing in my abdomen. I had free fluid in my abdomen. And I had a bacteria growing in there that is connected to plants. And they said, “If I hadn't come to the ER within 24 hours, I would have gotten septic, because it's the type of bacteria that showed up on the lab tests”. So scary part for me is that my surgeon who I put all the trust in the world to do my surgery. I did research on him, he just wanted to take the easy way out and call it constipation. And I knew something wasn't right. And I kept advocating for myself getting them to do other things. My dad advocated for me, and came back I had a really, really, really bad bacterial infection in my stomach. So never stopped speaking up for yourself.
[00:17:25] Nick: Your intuition is powerful. If you really are in your gut, you feel something's wrong and we do it a lot. As humans, we preset rate on things. And we often think the worst, but if you really, really like take a step back, and you're like, “What does my gut say?” In your guts, something's wrong. Go with your gut, and just go get, ask for all the tests, do whatever you got to do. Because in a situation like that, it can be life or death for sure.
[00:17:54] Karyssa McCullough: I've never had that experience of sepsis. But I know it's not a good thing. And I know you're potentially ended up in very, very bad situations. So I'm like, “I'm just gonna keep asking for things and figure it out” and we figured it out.
[00:18:10] Chad: So are there any modifications that you have to do nowadays? Because you don't have your gallbladder?
[00:18:14] Karyssa McCullough: So I don't really follow them.
[00:18:16] Chad: Because I don't know what it does?
[00:18:20] Nick: So before we get into that, the whole concept of you were they told you don't need your gallbladder, this whole concept of like, we don't need organs that we have in our body that were born, that develop, they serve a purpose. It's so skewed. Again, going back to this whole medical system of “No, you don't need that organ”. No, that's silly. You do need the organ. Can you survive without it? Yes. But to sit to tell a patient that for, isn't a specialist in that regard. You don't need this. Well, that just downplayed that organ. Like, you downplay that person's body. So to say we don't need the organ. No, that's not true at all. That serves a purpose. That's a very important organ, but can your body compensate and function without it? Technically, “Yes”. Can you survive? “Yes”. But to use the verbiage of, you don't need that that’s so wrong.
[00:19:13] Karyssa McCullough: So I remember that's what I was told I didn't need it, which I do need it because now when I eat things, I have to shy away from the fatty foods like a burgers and the fries and all that good stuff because the fat content that is in them severely affects my no longer gallbladder and I can break down fat properly. So when I do have a burger, because I can't give that up. I just get very, very bad stomach pains and I just have to get through it. So I try and modify but my, my eyeballs, that burger and they're like, “It looks so good. So I gotta have it”.
[00:19:58] Nick: And so to do give a little background to, so for gallbladder remover is actually one of the most common procedures done in America now. And it's probably done a little too. So the way you were treated the first time where they said, “Well, wait and see”. I'm glad that they did that. Because some people don't get that luxury. Some people, they just come in and say, “You have a study of a golf, and we're just going to remove it because they say you don't need it”. So there's a lot of gallbladder movers that are just done, snap of the finger, boom, right away. So if you are an individual who goes to the hospital, and they tell you have an issue with your gallbladder, ask them if you can wait and see. There are strategies that you can implement, when that's not for this podcast. But there are certainly strategies, one of which is coffee. So if you don't like coffee, drink some coffee and that situation. But it can help break down those stones in the gallbladder. So you definitely did. Like if you can avoid getting it removed.
[00:20:56] Karyssa McCullough: I did not want to but I was on two months constant pain every day. So I was like, screw this. I need to talk to them.
[00:21:05] Nick: And I would say that for them to say and that's where the system, did you wrong is that they just said, “Take this payment again, glorified Band-Aid, go home”. It'll figure itself out. They didn't give you any strategies as to what you could do on your own and not to say hindsight, is 2020. Like, would that have worked? We have no idea. But if they had sent you home, “Look, we're gonna wait and see, take these pain meds. But in the meantime, also try this, this and this, see if it can help.” Even castor oil packs have been shown to be helpful things like that. And you went home and you did that daily? Who knows? We have no idea. But still, it's something that. It's a better option than saying, “Just take this pain med. It'll deal with the pain”. We don't know what's going to happen with the gallbladder. We'll take it out in a couple of weeks if we have to, or even worse. So what people are going through on a daily basis in the US is “You have a gallstone. I'll just take it out. It's really easy. You don't need it”, that's scary. And people don't know, or they don't stand up for themselves. Like you do, “Hey, honey, I gotta get my gallbladder removed. Come pick me up in a couple hours”, that's crazy. All of a sudden, you had some stomach pain, and boom, they're just taking out organs, it's wild.
[00:22:19] Chad: You can't come back from that.
[00:22:24] Nick: The big one.
[00:22:25] Karyssa McCullough: Your turn.
[00:22:16] Chad: Well, it's big to me anyways. It might not be big to other people. But hopefully, by the time I'm done talking about it, it might be bigger to some of you guys.
[00:22:35] Karyssa McCullough: Get comfy because he's going to rant.
[00:22:37] Chad: I am going to rant a little bit only because this is something that I've definitely taken a lot more interest over the last one to two years, especially over the last year. This weekend I'm actually going off, and this is the week before Halloween. So by the time this records, I would have already gone to this conference and come back. So maybe I'll talk a little bit about that when I come back. But this weekend, I'm actually leaving to go to a conference called the silverback Summit, which is put on by Ali Gilbert, which is my coach. And I've had a previous podcast with her in the past as well. So I'll link that in the show notes. I've also done a blog about this topic that I'm going to be talking about which is the “Testosterone Epidemic”. And this is scary for a lot of people and I'm going to bring up a real life situation that will probably be relatable to a lot of people that are listening to this a lot of men anyways that are listening to this. So the summit that I'm going to is going to be talking about like all of the myths that are surrounding like “Men's Health”. For example, testosterone is going to be one of the biggest key interests that they're going to be talking about down there, especially where it relates to low testosterone and how it is correlated to modern day society, which Nick and I have talked about this on multiple occasions, and we're gonna keep talking about it because it definitely is important, it's only getting worse as time goes on. So what's so scary about this is that the amounts of testosterone that our male bodies are producing over time is becoming less and less and less over the generations. So it's in actuality, men are losing “their masculinity”, if you will. So, research actually tells us that since the 1980s, men's testosterone levels have actually been decreasing about 1% per year, so 1% per year almost 40%. And if you actually go to this blog post that I that I put up not too long ago, I think was a few months ago. There's a picture there, and that picture is pretty disturbing. But if you look at it, you can see that over time men are slowly beginning to look female, or they have female attributes if you will, which is kind of scary. And I think that we can't talk about testosterone. This is not only for younger adults, but older adults as well, because as we get over a certain age, we start to lose that over time. I think it's what 35 or whatever. So what ends up happening is especially United States, we have a higher risk for obesity which is again, linked to low testosterone, which is also linked to low testosterone because of all these statins that we're on and other medications that are actually going against us. As well as all the environmental toxins that we're taking in every single day. Nick, you're the expert on this guy. You're the toxin guy like pesticides, parabens, just since the last two years, I've been eating all my food out of glass containers and I'll preach that forever now. I was the classic, put it in a plastic Tupperware and just eat that shit up and what would you say?
[00:26:08] Nick: I've been doing this for years. That's fine. I said that last time people say that. I've been doing this all the time. Now it's time to change totally. I've even changed the soap that I use the shampoo that I use, and it's not like it is going to create any drastic change? Maybe not. But it's going to prevent it from getting worse. And that's really on the level that I'm at right now is preventable. But for all of you out there that haven't had your labs done, you should consider doing them. And you can get these labs on anywhere. I get them done every three months. I'm actually going to put out a blog at some point.
[00:26:44] Karyssa McCullough: You better hurry up man. It’s been your turns from months now.
[00:26:48] Chad: Home labs, and we actually videotaped, is that okay to say now, it is videotape recording. We iPhone it of me getting my labs drawn here at the clinic, because they do it right on site. And I get it done every three months, because I want to know where I'm at and my coach. But also I have another doctor that actually is in Tennessee, outside of my network that reviews all my labs, and we go over that every single month. And I've had this conversation with all of you guys before so, but I do want to talk about the labs really quick and this is like part of the scary story. This all comes back to a patient of ours that read my blog, and was, I gotta take control of this. This is not a good situation. So he ended up going through the same thing that I went through in terms of getting his labs done. And he got his labs back not too long ago. And he one of his lowest values on his lab sheet was a central level. And I want to talk about the lab values, but also talk about where he was at, and how it changes all depending on what laboratory you get your labs run at. So just to give you an example, his labs were below 300. So his testosterone was below 300. It's nanograms per deciliter. And to be exact, it was 283 and he went to LabCorp. So the normal range at LabCorp for testosterone is 264 to 916, that's a very big gap. And just to give you an example of that, the reason why I say that is because it's low but it's still within normal limits. Even though it's low, and I want to talk about where people consider these normal limits to be, but in 2017, LabCorp, changed their reference range of serum testosterone values from 348 to 1197, to 264 to 916. So if he had had these labs on in 2017, he would have been alone. And the only reason why I say this is because his doctor had reviewed these labs after he had had this done and said that, it's low, but it's not abnormally low. That's fucking abnormal word. I only say that to because the American urology or American urologic Association defines Low T as anything lower than 300. Yet we have LabCorp that's like, “You're good. You're good at 283” because we say it's 264. You go to a quest laboratories, it's 250 to 1110.
[00:29:41] Nick: I think it's important too. It's real quick for people to understand that. Like, Chad has mentioned that the levels have dropped 1% per year, so 40% over the last four decades, and these “normative values” are based on our current population. So I remember we've declined 40%. But we're basing our values on the general population. So that's what you guys need to understand is that the values that the labs and even your doctor are saying are normal are based on an unhealthy population. So that's what you have to remember.
[00:30:18] Chad: Exactly. So the importance there is exactly like you just said, Nick, the LabCorp reference range. They have said that was the reason why they had dropped the normal reference range.
[00:30:33] Nick: Because they were finding everyone done that. Everyone's there, so it must be normal.
[00:30:37] Chad: That’s for sure.
[00:30:39] Karyssa McCullough: Everyone's there, maybe there's problems.
[00:30:43] Chad: Maybe we're all unhealthy. So that's scary. So we're conforming these values based on what people are presenting with, because most people are overweight. Ad in obese, and on other medications that are driving their testosterone levels down. So they're like, “Everybody's level, let's just move this scale down a little bit”. So that everybody just becomes normal, and now they're not so normal. And that's one part of the whole scary thing, but I know that you guys were just mentioning the whole Doctor thing. And I'm gonna jump on that bandwagon too, because he had let his doctor know about this. His doctor wasn't overly concerned about how low it was. But he also went to fear monger him by saying that, “In fact, if you do increase your testosterone, what's actually going to happen is you're going to put yourself at a higher risk for prostate cancer, as well as like cardiovascular disease and all this bullshit” which is completely false. And research has actually debunked both of those things. I won't get into all the research with that. But basically, I don't want to say lied, but we have now tried to make him feel better about the fact that he's low. But if you go the other way, or if you try to improve your testosterone, it's only going to increase your risk for something. It's going to be more unhealthy, and I don't know if that's because we're just really just not knowledgeable. Like, because we just don't want to push it. You have any thoughts on that?
[00:32:19] Nick: Honestly, I think it's a little combination of everything. But you have conspiracy theorists out there saying, the “system” wants you to be unhealthy. So you're dependent on this or that? Is it that serious? Are people out there that smart to create a system that set up that way? I don't know. But is that looking more and more accurate as years go on? Unfortunately, “Yes” we've gotten to a point where there's such a big mismatch, I think this is the biggest takeaway for me is there's such a big mismatch between our modern world, our modern environment, and the lives we live compared with our evolution. So we're at a point in time where we've created an environment that's so vastly different, and a lifestyle that's so vastly different from what the human species is accustomed to, that this mismatch is creating a lot of this friction in your metabolic health, the way you move, the way you just operate on a daily life, the way you think, the way you act, all that kind of stuff. So, this mismatch is not only creating actual diseases and conditions that we're seeing. Crazy upticks in the last couple of decades, but you're seeing a rise in mental health issues, anxiety, depression, it all goes hand in hand and that's not to downplay. One thing I know, Chad, you mentioned before beginning of this, you said that, “Because testosterone is going down, we're having increasingly males look more like females”. Now, people could misconstrue that and think the whole gender equality stuff like that, people identify how they want it. We're not even talking about any of that. If you have males becoming females, we go extinct that's scary. Because if we don't have a male and a female to reproduce, we're gonna have to create it in a laboratory. That's all we got. So we are going extinct at some point if that this trend continues on that path. So it has nothing to do with gender rights and that type of issue. It’s really just, are we going to survive as a species on this planet? And if we continue on this path, we're gonna have to save ourselves with something else and are we smart enough to do that? Maybe, but could we also just restore some of our natural lifestyle and a lifestyle that blends the modern with something that's evolutionarily consistent with where we're at as a species. Absolutely, that's reasonable. That's something that we can all start to implement today, as opposed to waiting for the scientist in a lab to be like, “Alright, this is going to be our saving grace, this is gonna allow us to reproduce without the necessary parts” so it's scary. It really is.
[00:35:25] Chad: And you just made that scary story way more scary.
[00:35:28] Nick: That's where we're going. And that’s our part. Women have testosterone too, and women need certain levels of testosterone. But part of what makes males male is different parts, but what makes those parts is the testosterone. So if we don't have enough testosterone, at some point, we won't have the right parts. And if you don't have the right parts, you can't reproduce, it happens for any, it goes for any animal. If the animals don't have the capacity to reproduce, they will at some point become extinct. And we're doing it to ourselves, it's not another animal or a bacteria or a virus that's just stealthily hunting us down, it’s us. We're getting in our own way in that regard. And there's certainly things you could do today to help your testosterone levels, Chad, mentioned a bunch. So change your environment, change your lifestyle a little bit. Is it going to drastically improve it? Maybe, and maybe not. It could, hopefully it does, but it's certainly going to help in the short term and even long term. So scary stuff. Sorry, to put a damper on everybody.
[00:36:54] Karyssa McCullough: This is the idea though. It's spooky episode.
[00:36:58] Nick: And it's important stuff. It's really important stuff that we need to keep harping on because these changes aren't going to be made if people don't understand and know what's happening. What's going on?
[00:37:13] Chad: Cool. I think we busted that one for sure.
[00:37:18] Nick: One thing is, people always ask us about nutrition. So I think it's important that we touch upon this as we enter Halloween. So just remember, “No matter if you need a little bit or a lot, some candy will always go to waste”.
[00:37:34] Karyssa McCullough: Why? Oh, my God, I didn’t get that one.
[00:37:38] Nick: I know, some candy will always go to waste.
[00:37:43] Karyssa McCullough: Well, you can put a chase on my hand and that’s going right in my mouth.
[00:37:47] Nick: That was a bad dad joke, but I just wanted to say it.
[00:37:50] Chad: And remember, Twix for a kids.
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